Harry Potter Retrospective
In 1997, a book was published that would sell millions of copies, spawn multiple sequels, spinoffs, fan fiction, movies, toys, and theme parks. And that book was “Harry Potter and the Philosopher’s Stone” or “Sorcerer’s Stone” for US readers. In this episode of “The 80s and 90s Uncensored” the guys discuss the Harry Potter books and the impact they had on the world.
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Censored i am milo dennison and i'm jamie fenderson and today we're talking about harry potter,
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harry potter harry potter we're specifically
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we're talking more about the books since the books came
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out in the 90s and all the movies came out in the 2000s and
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we're the 80s and 90s uncensored not the 2000s uncensored
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so we're gonna time that stuff a little better if you
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want us to talk about it yeah but i
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got i got this idea we had it on our list to
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talk about but there was recent news so a
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proof of jk rowling's first harry potter novel was bought for it was bought
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for pennies 26 years ago and it's like this weird just very basic looking proof
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book but it sold recently for almost $14,000 in England.
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The book and the original owner got it for 40 pence, which I guess is like 50
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cents. It's like two quarters.
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That's crazy. I guess it must be in really good condition then as well.
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Well, and even if it's not, if it's like one of the only ones that exist, then still.
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But from From what I saw, it doesn't look too bad. There you go.
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Listeners, dig through your closets. See if you got an old first edition of Harry Potter.
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Yeah, that's what the lady who owned the book saw some kind of news story about
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books that were selling for big money. And she's like, wait,
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I think I have some old ones.
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And it was behind a bunch of other books on a shelf.
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It wasn't even out. It was behind some other books.
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And she went and sold it at an auction for $14,000, dude.
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That's crazy see you know why
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do i work so hard you know i just
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needed if i were going back in time i would
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have put stock in like these tech companies and bought a bought some original
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perry potter so that i'd be set working my ass off man well the thing with the
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original one is like they didn't think it was going to sell all that well according to wikipedia,
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the first edition of the first Harry Potter, they did 5,650 copies.
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When she submitted it to publishers, so she apparently found her agent reasonably quick.
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But when they submitted it to publishers, 11 different publishers,
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or sorry, 12 publishers. 12, yeah.
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Yeah, 12 publishers reject it and tell Bloomsbury Publishing.
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And that's after the guy that worked there, his eight-year-old daughter read
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it and wanted to keep reading more.
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So, yeah, the head of Bloomsbury was like, oh, my eight-year-old likes this,
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so maybe we should publish this book.
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And can you imagine those 12 of the other publishers? They must feel like the
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drummer from the Beatles that quit.
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You know what I mean? Or maybe they feel like the toy company who turned down the Star Wars line.
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Yeah. They're like, oh. Oh, man.
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Just like some silly kid's book. Jeez.
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And the whole franchise now is worth $25 billion.
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Billion and jk rowling is
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the first and to date only billionaire book
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writer and i was thinking like wow stephen king
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even past stephen king who wrote so many books and he made so many movies he's
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not for one though his estimate net worth is half a billion so he's not he's
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not starving by any means but yeah she is the first and only billionaire book
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author yeah i think michael Crichton is up there as well because a lot of his
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books have been turned into movies as well.
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Yeah, but they haven't been made into theme parks.
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Have you been to the theme park? No, Heike has been to it. So she really enjoyed it. She had fun.
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So I like it. I went to the one in California, Universal Studios, and it's a lot of fun.
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It's kind of cheesedick though because they have this part where they have all
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this cool stuff that they They do with wands and everything moves around and
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then they kind of usher you to this wand store to try to sell you wands.
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It's pretty cheesy, but beer, butterbeer,
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Butterbeer is freaking delicious, dude. I even found recipes.
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I'm kind of a butterbeer-making connoisseur because my kid likes it so much.
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And so I have different recipes trying to make the best butterbeer.
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Butterbeer is freaking awesome, dude. All right. Cool.
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Can you make an alcoholic version of butterbeer?
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I didn't look into that, but I suppose you could.
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But you'd have to brew it. You couldn't just kind of take beer and then do something
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with it. That's kind of- Okay.
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So you'd have to properly make it? I, that's what I say, but maybe I'm not,
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I mean, I'd probably do it like mix some Bud Light with some butter and caramel
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and be like, butter beer.
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Hmm, that sounds delicious. Yeah. But Harry Potter and the, you know,
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it's called, the first one was published in 1997 in the United Kingdom on June 26th.
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But it was, I didn't know this. It was called, it's called Harry Potter and
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the Philosopher's Stone in Britain.
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But they changed it in the US to the Sorcerer's Stone because they thought people
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in the US would know that philosopher is another term for magician or sorcerer
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in kind of British English.
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They're like, that sounds cooler than Philosopher's Stone. That sounds more
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like- Dumb Americans wouldn't get it. Yeah, more badass.
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But she, J.K. Rowling has since kind of regretted that they changed the name.
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I don't think she's regretted it that much. I mean, she did make bank off of
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it. I think she's doing all right.
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Yeah. According to this, like the books, so all seven of them have sold more
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than 600 million copies worldwide.
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Best-selling series in history, available in 85 languages,
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and the last four, which, of course, were post-2000, but we'll say them anyways,
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set records as the fastest-selling books in history, with the final one selling
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2.7 million copies in the United Kingdom and 8.3 million copies in the United
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States within 24 hours of its release. That is crazy.
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Have you read the books? I've read the books, yeah. I've read the books and watched the movies.
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Yeah so when these came out i was
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in the navy and i'd see my buddies i
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mean this is war sailors reading kids books
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i'm like dude what are you doing this like you're a united
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states navy sailor you're reading kids books and i'm like dude you don't even
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know it's good and they're right it's good so you had everybody's it's not just
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kids books everybody you can't sell that many books just to kids like other
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people were reading this That's why they've done so well,
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because both kids and adults can read these books and enjoy them.
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Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Yeah, I've read them all. My son's read them all.
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I think everybody's read them all. There are very few people who haven't.
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And, of course, she's probably getting continued sales because people are burning
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them now and chopping them up.
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There's religious in the U.S.
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That there's – I was reading about this guy. He's a pastor at a church,
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and he does an annual Harry Potter book cutting because he couldn't get a permit
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to do a book burning or something like that.
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And so he does an annual thing where he takes the book and cut it.
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And I don't know how many they do, but I mean, I guess they have to buy it each
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year to cut them up each year.
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So it's good for sales. Yeah, it's good. It's, yeah.
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Well, the religious fundamentalists think it promotes witchcraft and religions like Wicca.
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Which maybe it does, shoot, man. Probably a lot of people became Wiccans.
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Because they want to do magic and ride brooms.
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Like, man, I want to play with Quidditch game and, yeah, ride around on a broom.
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Well, and in fact, there's a real life version of Quidditch.
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I've heard that. So in 2005, yeah.
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And they did some kind of exhibition tournament in the 2012 London Olympics.
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So, I mean, I don't think anybody's like being evil. I think it's just all in
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good fun, but maybe there's a subset of people who are like totally into like
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real, like they think magic is real or whatever.
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Well, the problem with any book is they tend to get overanalyzed,
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especially popular books, right?
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Like I remember in college, you take like a literature class and you just overanalyze books.
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And it's like I really don't think the author had all of this in mind when they
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were writing it. They were just trying to create an interesting story, right?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. You go to a college class and it's like, I've taken like,
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I did a college, when I was in college, I had a whole class around Frankenstein.
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Oh, yeah. Mary Shelley's Frankenstein. And it was great class. It was fascinating.
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But I was like, I wonder if Mary Shelley was really like thinking people would
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have college classes about her book about a monster.
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No, she was thinking, hey, hanging out with my friends and we all decided to
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write horror stories and I actually did one yeah haha suckers so I guess this
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came to JK Rowling she used JK Rowling too because she didn't want people to
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know like what her gender was because she thought maybe if people thought she
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was a woman like male readers wouldn't like it as much,
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But I guess she was on a train, and it was delayed for like four hours,
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and she just started thinking stuff, and it just popped into her head.
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It's amazing to me that a woman on a delayed train just thinking up stuff would
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turn into a $25 billion book, movie,
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theme park, cultural phenomenon.
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It's amazing, dude. It's crazy. crazy
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well that's the thing like you talk to people and
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they're like oh i've got a great idea for a book or
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and it's not so much the ideas right we all
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have ideas it's the perseverance to sit
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down and write it because you spent a lot of time writing and rewriting and
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i mean you send it to 11 publishers and they get denied at some point you just
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kind of almost give up and stuff so it's It's really that like perseverance
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and motivation to actually sit down and do it every day.
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That's what gets books written. Well, and that's real work. Everybody's got ideas.
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But if you sit down and grind through and actually make, you actually write
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the book, that's, you're right.
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And I think she deserves her billions because she did that and people loved
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it. And she probably got a whole generation of people back into reading books.
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Absolutely. Yeah, totally. Kids reading, like anytime you can encourage kids to read.
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And the fact that she wrote it, she had, I think she had a kid,
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relationship issues. Her mom recently died.
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She was working, not working at various points, like relatively low income.
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So props to her. Yeah. Well, the best art typically comes out of pain.
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Yeah. That's why we do this podcast, you know.
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Makes us feel better about ourselves.
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You hear that? Publishers and whoever, give us our billions.
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Yeah. We're suffering over here. We're starving artists.
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Look at Milo. He's a starving actor. I'm a starving actor. I need some acting gigs.
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Producers, directors, cast me. Do it.
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Yeah. So it became such a cultural phenomenon that there were a few things happened.
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For instance, Since the Oxford English Dictionary in 2003 entered the word muggle,
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and there are actually a number of new dinosaur species found that were named
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with Harry Potter in mind, including Dracorex, Hagwartia.
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And there's a spider that they found and
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they called it aerovixia griffindori
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griffindori and they found a new wasp and they named it ampalex dementor and
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there's a crab called harry plaques so they're naming new species of animals
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that they find dinosaurs and even new animals now after harry potter but they're
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like latinizing it because you gotta latinize things all the time.
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Even though it's based on totally Anglo-Saxon lore, they got a,
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They got to Latina-fy it. Make it difficult to say. Yeah, you heard now I'm struggling.
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I'm not the Pope. I can't speak Latin. But yeah, it's a huge,
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I mean, that's how big this whole series has become.
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Oh, yeah. I mean, the movies have made millions, the theme parks,
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the spinoffs, right? Because she's done other books.
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And all of the writers that this encouraged, right?
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I bet you some of the other kind of werewolf vampire magic books that came out
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after this were probably because of this and publishers were like,
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oh crap, people read this stuff?
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Hey, we just got that submission. You remember that one about the vampire that sparkles?
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Yeah, yeah, let's publish that. yeah you know yeah
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that's true twilight i think that's
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directly influenced i mean i didn't read those books because it's not
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no it's like romance vampire things
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on my thing but teenage vampire romance but do
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you remember my buddy smitty i don't know bartender when
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we were hanging out last time you're here he had a girlfriend i
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broke up since before they got back together other maybe they
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broke up again i don't know they're always like off and on but
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she she's a waitress but she's writing a
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book where she was i don't know where it went
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obviously it's not famous yet but she.
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Was writing a like a book about mermaids because she
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was inspired by all this harry potter kind of
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stuff so i mean even
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even waitresses in issaquah washington are writing books
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about mermaids man that's that's
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how big this thing is yeah it's great so the
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second book harry potter and the chamber of secrets
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that came out in 98 and then
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in the u.s in 99 and then
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harry potter and the prisoner of azkaban came
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out in 1999 and then
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there were other ones that came out in 2000 that we don't have
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to talk about because that's we don't have to talk about the
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movies either but she did
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in 1999 we can't tell her she's
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JK Rowling sold the film rights for
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Harry Potter to Warner Brothers but she only you know maybe she didn't know
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how big it was because she only sold it to Warner Brothers for about two million
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bucks if she'd have known how big it was gonna be she probably would have been
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like more like 200 million bucks you know I'm saying well if I think she did keep the,
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back end of the film as well. She went George Lucas on it with the merchandising.
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That's where the money is.
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Oh, man. I mean, there's stores here in London, Harry Potter themed stores, people constantly.
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buying stuff every time you walk past it. Yeah, it's crazy.
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So do you have a favorite one, favorite book out of the series?
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I like the earlier ones better than the later ones just because they tended
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to get a bit darker as they went on.
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Here's the thing with the Harry – I said this to somebody once.
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And people are fanatical about their fandom of Harry Potter.
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They're like Trekkies, dude. Oh, they are. They're like us with Star Trek. They get into fights.
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They'll be drinking at night and get into Zoom fights. Yeah.
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Because I said this to somebody once, because I've seen all the movies and read
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all the books, and we were talking about Harry Potter, and I'm like,
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I've seen them all, I've watched all the movies, but if you were to ask me what
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they completely ignore that, and they get into trouble, but then it turns out
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they were right in the end.
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And the adults should have listened to them. so you
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know beyond that like what what that's
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like the goonies right yeah basically and and
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she got so offended uh you could just see the
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offense in her face at my lack of
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like plot points in the harry potter series so
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i i like the movies okay i don't dislike
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them i i'm just i don't know if i i think i
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like the books better i don't know if i'm a super fan of the movies
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and i started to to get maybe a little fatigued after
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how many would they made eight movies didn't they
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something like that because they split the last one into two movies yeah so
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milk it for a little more money like harry potter's
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and in his like mid-20s and stuff it's like okay but they're all not bad it's
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not like a lot of good movies terrible it's a good series and i like it but
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i do like the books quite a bit more yeah and the acting in the movies is good
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too like you've got great actors There's, what's his name?
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The guy that died a few years ago that played the one teacher.
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Ian, huh? No, not Ian McKellen.
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He played like the mean teacher that none of the kids liked.
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He was the bad guy in Die Hard. In Die Hard.
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Yeah. Okay. We're going to have to pause.
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To make it seem like we actually came up with the actor. To make it seem like
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we actually know because we forgot his name and that's unexcusable because we
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love him. I can even picture him.
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And we just can't think of his name because we're stupid. Don't you hate that?
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But his name is Alan Rickman. Alan Rickman. Cry me brain fart.
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Alan Rickman's great. Yeah, he's great in this.
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Yeah, he is. And he makes a great, like, Snape because he's kind of, like, good and bad.
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And apparently, I was reading a story. He was fun behind the set.
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Like, there's a story of Daniel Radcliffe.
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He kind of had a crush on one of the girls that was in the film.
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in the main room because they're all in danger.
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And so he goes to the, you know, director and is like, hey, can you put me next to her?
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and then they put it in his little bedding there and made it fart sounds.
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Like, I mean, come on. How great is that? That's hilarious.
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No, they were great movies. And it's hard to have a series of eight movies that are so good.
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So I respect the movies, but I would say I like the books quite a bit more. Oh, me too.
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And I'm not in love with fantasy or anything. I like it okay,
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but this is one of the fantasy books I like. And it's just kind of fun.
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It's wizards, and it's very British-y.
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It's got some pretty dark themes, like you said.
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He's lost his parents, so you're already dealing with death of parents and orphans.
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You've got some pretty bad people doing bad stuff sometimes.
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spiders will come and kill you.
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Yeah, it's Hunger Games. Totally.
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Maybe Hunger Games got its thing from this. It's like, what if we put all these
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kids in a place and everything can kill them, but they're supposed to learn something?
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What kind of parents are you? Yeah.
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Yeah, no, I think they're great, too. I mean, as much as I was making kind of
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fun of it there about acting about not knowing what happens,
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I think they're great. And the fact that they encourage people to read and write.
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Should we talk a little bit about the controversies around the book and her
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before we wrap it up? Yeah, let's go for it.
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Is like don't play those here's a list of records you shouldn't play
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backwards and then those records sell because people
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buy them they're like we're totally gonna play this record backwards because
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grandma said not to we gotta we gotta find out what this is all gotta read this
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book and you read it and you're like what this is nothing where's all the danger
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in this and then there's criticism about the books too even from like on the
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left the fact there's no like gay or lesbian or trans characters in the books,
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that it's very male-female genders.
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Like I mentioned, the criticism that the children are basically being taught
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to disobey their parents, stuff like that. So there's even those criticisms of it.
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I think it's all a bunch of hoo-ha over nothing, in my opinion.
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It's a freaking book. You got to create drama.
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It's a fantasy book even so it's even
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more made up right like just because
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it's a book doesn't mean it's a truth it's not non-fiction it's fiction so fucking
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get on yourselves the whole eight like the whole 80s like movies were all about
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children defying their parents and going on adventures yeah that's the goonies
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the goonies or anything from the 80s that had.
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Kids or teens in it was basically that yeah and
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i don't know there's no gay characters but there's a lot of books with
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no gay characters and there's some books with gay characters okay
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as if this is the first book written in history that doesn't have gay characters
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oh yeah sometimes books have gay characters and sometimes books have characters
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and the characters might be gay but maybe they don't even mention it because
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it doesn't matter because it doesn't push the plot anywhere yeah Yeah,
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it's not relevant to the story.
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Maybe that redheaded kid in this book, maybe he's queer as folk,
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but maybe they just don't even mention it because they're just talking about
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magic and stuff. I don't know, man.
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Or the blonde kid. He doesn't have any girlfriends.
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Yeah, and he's pretty plausible. And he's evil. You know, he must be gay if he's evil.
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I'm joking. Someone is going to quote you out of context. I know,
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totally. They are. They're going to quote you out of context. Years from now.
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They'll be like, did you say this? And I'll be like, what? You're being satirical. you're
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being sarcastic but like years from now there'll be
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a clip milo said that he's blonde
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and evil and gay and whatever and even though
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he's gay because he's evil in the series he's evil
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because that happens to me all the time people will be like they'll say something
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and i'll be like i think you're taking that well out of context of what i actually
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meant by that well and your kind of style is deadpan satire so it sounds serious
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as shit man yeah when i'm like Like, oh, he's,
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you know, I do my goofy thing. You're like straight-faced.
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That's going to get me in trouble. Yeah, you can't run for president now. You're screwed, dude.
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I'm definitely not going to comment on any of the JK Rowling stuff.
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I know she's getting a lot of hate from like the trans communities and stuff right now.
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I have not paid any attention to any of the stuff that she said.
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So I don't. So the trans people are against her?
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or maybe there's some debate around, like, at what point a trans person—so let's
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say you're male and you're transitioning to female—at what point?
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Do you become female, right? Are you female when you say, I'm female?
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Or are you female when, like, your gender parts change or when you take hormone therapy?
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So it's kind of, I think, that debate a little bit around that.
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I don't know where full on, but I guess she's getting hate because she has an opinion.
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Oh, well. And, you know, how the world works. Cancel, cancel her.
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That's basically it. Gotta cancel her now.
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Yeah. Yeah, there was a few years ago, like people that were fans of Harry Potter
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were like trashing their books and stuff because of it. Well,
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so you know she is doing well if the far right, like religious people are cutting
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her books and burning them or whatever.
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And then the far left people are cutting her books and like burning them or whatever.
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She's doing well for herself. That's controversy both ways.
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If you have extremists on either side against you. Either side burning your
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stuff, you're doing all right. Yeah, yeah.
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And, I mean, she may be super rich, but I was looking at some of the stuff that she's donated.
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She's donated tons of money to various charitable organizations.
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She was the second most generous donor in the UK in 2015 after Elton John.
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So Elton John donated more to charities than she did, and she was number two
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on the list out of everybody in the UK.
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Okay you know and it's it's a lot of like women's rights
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her money you put your money where your mouth is you can
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eat all you want but if she's given that much if
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she's just behind elton john and giving so i don't
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know that's a lot of freaking money it's a lot of money yeah like to women's
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rights organizations to children's to like all kinds of international charities
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like apparently she was like sexually assaulted at some point in her life or
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something like that And so she donates a lot to those types of women charities.
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Yeah, so you can disagree with her on her politics or opinions,
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but I think, I mean, she's written some great books.
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She's donated a lot of money. So just...
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Take a step back, people. You might not agree with her, but you don't need to
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send her death threats. Okay?
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Relax. Yeah, just chill. I just need to chill.
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But yeah. Hey, kids, or even adults, if you haven't read these books, check them out.
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You check us out too on the80sand90s.com.
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You could read some interesting articles. I write articles about fun stuff. You should go read.
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I encourage you to read our articles. And you know what?
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If you want to like, say that you want to publish my articles in a book and
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give me a billion dollars, go ahead.
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Yeah, he'll take it. Yeah. Go read it.
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The80sand90s.com. Turn our lives into a movie.
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It'd be like Wayne's World. All right.
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And I guess with that, we will say we're out of here to go start our children's fantasy book,
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where magic meets the mysterious allure of forbidden romance,
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where a young witch from the arcane society finds herself drawn to a captivating
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vampire from the Nightingale clan.
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As their forbidden love blossoms, they must navigate the treacherous alliances,
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dark secrets, and looming war that threatens to tear the world apart.
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Can their love survive the chaos? Or will it succumb to the forces that seek to divide them?
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Do you think that, is that a book idea? What the hell was that?
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I uh that's uh i asked chat gp to
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chat gpt gave you
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some bullshit hey it sounded great though i did sound
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good i mean i have to i was impressed it wrote more than that and i actually
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kind of rephrased it a little bit because it went a bit long and it was a bit
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convoluted but basically i was like give me a book description that's a young
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adult fantasy that involves like vampires and magic in the style of Harry Potter.
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Hey, man, before you know it, there won't even be any authors like J.K. Rowling.
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There'll just be chat GPT writing all the books, and nobody will know the difference.
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Write me a 1,000-page novel.
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They'll probably do it in a couple years from now.
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We won't have to be creative at all. It'll have an AI version of you and me talking shit. Yeah.
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AI, create us a podcast episode. I think this week, how about something on the
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first Harry Potter book?
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Times are weird bro times are weird.
